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	<title>Comments on: Tracking Down Stolen Images with TinEye</title>
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	<description>Patrick Bennett  has a  very  bad memory.</description>
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		<title>By: Enjoy Patrick Responsibly &#187; Tracking down photos&#8230; with luck!</title>
		<link>http://www.enjoypatrickresponsibly.com/2009/04/04/tracking-down-stolen-images-with-tineye/comment-page-1/#comment-3380</link>
		<dc:creator>Enjoy Patrick Responsibly &#187; Tracking down photos&#8230; with luck!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few months ago, I wrote about tracking down stolen images TinEye. That tip generated a lot of conversation about how much of an idiot I am to think I could own a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.enjoypatrickresponsibly.com/2009/04/04/tracking-down-stolen-images-with-tineye/comment-page-1/#comment-3196</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 16:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop baiting the trolls! &gt;_&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop baiting the trolls! &gt;_&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: asd</title>
		<link>http://www.enjoypatrickresponsibly.com/2009/04/04/tracking-down-stolen-images-with-tineye/comment-page-1/#comment-3191</link>
		<dc:creator>asd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pretentious artsy asshole. You take a picture of a public building and claim ownership? &quot;

As soon as you click the shutter, you own the PICTURE.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pretentious artsy asshole. You take a picture of a public building and claim ownership? &#8221;</p>
<p>As soon as you click the shutter, you own the PICTURE.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: completely unrelated</title>
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		<dc:creator>completely unrelated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two cents here:

You are not &quot;using&quot; architecture by taking a picture of it. Generally, one uses architecture by doing things like &quot;living in it&quot; or &quot;working in it&quot; or &quot;making it part of their functional life&quot;. It is intrinsically not art. One can reimagine architecture works as art, one can make a conceptual piece out of the process of building something, whatever, art can really be everything but not everything can be art.

So, when one uses the word &quot;original&quot;, what does one mean? Does one mean &quot;merit&quot;? Or does one mean &quot;as created first and only by a certain person&quot;. Now, originality, legally speaking, does not care about concepts or subjects in photography. Kind of like free speech, everybody should be free to take as many pictures of whatever as they want (although this is probably is not true for a lot of things, laws are made up as we go for this kind of stuff).

Does the angle of a picture of a building really make a difference? Yes and no. Those pictures of a bridge and a building, those pictures were taken by Patrick first and only by him. He is the original owner of the content. In the bridge one, he even modified the picture so it becomes a work of design, leaving photography behind completely. It is his design that he did first and only himself, with a picture taken by him first and only himself on top of that.

So no: he is not &quot;using&quot; a building for his design. He is using a picture he took. He doesn&#039;t really care, otherwise he would&#039;ve commented on his own blog post to the questions spook had, and so this whole conversation was more about spook than it was about Patrick.

Finally: You pay for a service, that is, having a picture taken. And for a product, that is, a picture of you. If you wanted to keep the negatives, you probably would&#039;ve had to sign a contract for them, stating that you are the owner of those negatives. Since you didn&#039;t, you are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two cents here:</p>
<p>You are not &#8220;using&#8221; architecture by taking a picture of it. Generally, one uses architecture by doing things like &#8220;living in it&#8221; or &#8220;working in it&#8221; or &#8220;making it part of their functional life&#8221;. It is intrinsically not art. One can reimagine architecture works as art, one can make a conceptual piece out of the process of building something, whatever, art can really be everything but not everything can be art.</p>
<p>So, when one uses the word &#8220;original&#8221;, what does one mean? Does one mean &#8220;merit&#8221;? Or does one mean &#8220;as created first and only by a certain person&#8221;. Now, originality, legally speaking, does not care about concepts or subjects in photography. Kind of like free speech, everybody should be free to take as many pictures of whatever as they want (although this is probably is not true for a lot of things, laws are made up as we go for this kind of stuff).</p>
<p>Does the angle of a picture of a building really make a difference? Yes and no. Those pictures of a bridge and a building, those pictures were taken by Patrick first and only by him. He is the original owner of the content. In the bridge one, he even modified the picture so it becomes a work of design, leaving photography behind completely. It is his design that he did first and only himself, with a picture taken by him first and only himself on top of that.</p>
<p>So no: he is not &#8220;using&#8221; a building for his design. He is using a picture he took. He doesn&#8217;t really care, otherwise he would&#8217;ve commented on his own blog post to the questions spook had, and so this whole conversation was more about spook than it was about Patrick.</p>
<p>Finally: You pay for a service, that is, having a picture taken. And for a product, that is, a picture of you. If you wanted to keep the negatives, you probably would&#8217;ve had to sign a contract for them, stating that you are the owner of those negatives. Since you didn&#8217;t, you are not.</p>
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		<title>By: creamart</title>
		<link>http://www.enjoypatrickresponsibly.com/2009/04/04/tracking-down-stolen-images-with-tineye/comment-page-1/#comment-2764</link>
		<dc:creator>creamart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo hoo is what you will say when someone sues you for all you got. This has nothing to do with democracy, information or OWNED, but the right of the artist to make money from their creation. Unauthorized users of such images are stealing.

Ricardo FAIL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo hoo is what you will say when someone sues you for all you got. This has nothing to do with democracy, information or OWNED, but the right of the artist to make money from their creation. Unauthorized users of such images are stealing.</p>
<p>Ricardo FAIL.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo hoo hoo, buddy. Don&#039;t upload your stuff to the Internet if you don&#039;t want anyone else using it.

You got informationdemocracyowned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo hoo hoo, buddy. Don&#8217;t upload your stuff to the Internet if you don&#8217;t want anyone else using it.</p>
<p>You got informationdemocracyowned.</p>
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		<title>By: jesus</title>
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		<dc:creator>jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can get the firefox plugin and just right click an image and select search on tineye instead of opening the site and uploading everytime. I use it for porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you can get the firefox plugin and just right click an image and select search on tineye instead of opening the site and uploading everytime. I use it for porn.</p>
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		<title>By: creamyart</title>
		<link>http://www.enjoypatrickresponsibly.com/2009/04/04/tracking-down-stolen-images-with-tineye/comment-page-1/#comment-2688</link>
		<dc:creator>creamyart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Oh things can be done about it. But it would require getting nasty and maybe an attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Oh things can be done about it. But it would require getting nasty and maybe an attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, nothing you can do about it. I guess if it bothers you that much you can stop posting your images online. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, nothing you can do about it. I guess if it bothers you that much you can stop posting your images online. <img src='http://www.enjoypatrickresponsibly.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: creamyart</title>
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		<dc:creator>creamyart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do go further into explaining why if, you didn`t design the building, you can own the copyright to the picture. Mostly because  Spook brought the issue and I quote,
&quot;spook Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

So do the owners of the buildings and/or bridges get to cry fowl for the theft of their properties images? What about the “artist”/architects that designed said landmarks? What makes the theft of your work any different from your theft of theirs? If you have artwork that’s original from start to finish I’d say different story, but if not…&quot;

There is no theft unless the same building is being constructed elsewhere, as the art (the building design) would be being render in the same medium (construction).

I do agree the angles, light and other identifying marks make it original and in fact an identifiable asset as proven by TinyEye.

Just because millions of people travel to NYC each year and take millions of pictures of the same monument means that those million pictures, even the ones that look alike are protected by the same law.
After all, real photographers go to lengths to study, frame and perfect angles and lighting just so they can produce an original each time they shoot a tired overly done subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do go further into explaining why if, you didn`t design the building, you can own the copyright to the picture. Mostly because  Spook brought the issue and I quote,<br />
&#8220;spook Says:<br />
May 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pm</p>
<p>So do the owners of the buildings and/or bridges get to cry fowl for the theft of their properties images? What about the “artist”/architects that designed said landmarks? What makes the theft of your work any different from your theft of theirs? If you have artwork that’s original from start to finish I’d say different story, but if not…&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no theft unless the same building is being constructed elsewhere, as the art (the building design) would be being render in the same medium (construction).</p>
<p>I do agree the angles, light and other identifying marks make it original and in fact an identifiable asset as proven by TinyEye.</p>
<p>Just because millions of people travel to NYC each year and take millions of pictures of the same monument means that those million pictures, even the ones that look alike are protected by the same law.<br />
After all, real photographers go to lengths to study, frame and perfect angles and lighting just so they can produce an original each time they shoot a tired overly done subject.</p>
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